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jun 14, 2026
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Invitado Daniel Carpi Veronica del Carril
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Resumen
Clarificación de la logística del evento y diseño de la agenda mediante consenso sobre horarios y objetivos.
Claridad sobre invitación Luma
La invitación generó confusión debido a fechas contradictorias y objetivos poco claros. Se priorizó la necesidad de una comunicación directa para convocar correctamente al grupo central.
Diseño del taller presencial
Surgieron debates sobre la estructura y la urgencia de clarificar los objetivos ante la falta de comprensión. Se buscó un enfoque realista considerando limitaciones de tiempo y asistencia.
Definición logística final
Se estableció un horario único de 10:00 a 13:00 para garantizar la coherencia del evento. Esta decisión fija el marco temporal para integrar las experiencias externas y planificar.
Próximos pasos
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[Tobias Fechner] Confirmar datos para calendario: Verificar y enviar la información faltante necesaria para crear el evento de calendario.
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[Verónica del Carril] Programar evento: Agendar el evento en Google Calendar para mañana de 10 a 13 horas.
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[Tobias Fechner] Coordinar equipo de Africa: Convocar a los integrantes del equipo de Africa para la primera llamada de la mañana.
Detalles
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Propósito y confusión de la invitación de Luma: Daniel Carpi y Tobias Fechner discuten la confusión generada por la invitación de Luma, la cual incluía dos fechas (15 y 20) y no comunicaba claramente que el evento de mañana es una reunión privada enfocada en diseñar el evento del día 20. Daniel Carpi enfatiza que la invitación debe ser personal y dirigida al grupo central para evitar distracciones, ya que la comunicación actual no refleja el objetivo real. Tobias Fechner reconoce que el envío de un enlace previo contribuyó a la falta de claridad, y ambos acuerdan enfocarse en resolver la confusión actual en lugar de mirar al pasado (00:02:20).
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Enfoque del taller y diseño del evento: Se debate la metodología para el taller de mañana; Daniel Carpi aboga por una estructura concreta y orientada a la acción para diseñar el evento del 20, mientras que Tobias Fechner propone una experiencia descentralizada utilizando diferentes dominios para crear significado compartido (00:06:28). Daniel Carpi insiste en la urgencia de clarificar el mensaje y los objetivos antes de diseñar herramientas, indicando que otros líderes de comunidades aún no comprenden la propuesta, mientras que Tobias Fechner sugiere usar la mañana para alinear roles y condiciones, dejando la tarde para el diseño de contenido (00:10:02).
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Preocupaciones de logística y realismo: Verónica del Carril plantea preocupaciones sobre la viabilidad de un taller de día completo, señalando que el día siguiente es feriado nacional en Argentina y que la asistencia podría verse afectada. Verónica del Carril propone reducir el horario para hacerlo más realista y asegurar que los asistentes puedan comprometerse, enfocándose en simplificar el mensaje para convocar a amigos cercanos y activistas (00:15:30) (00:21:50). Daniel Carpi y Tobias Fechner acuerdan ajustar el proceso para que sea razonable y coherente con las limitaciones de tiempo existentes (00:24:00).
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Participación y autenticidad de los asistentes: Tobias Fechner explica que la inclusión de participantes de África tiene como objetivo compartir experiencias reales y casos de uso con blockchain para aliviar preocupaciones y mejorar la comprensión interna (00:16:49). Verónica del Carril analiza el registro actual en Luma y expresa dudas sobre la autenticidad de algunos inscritos, sugiriendo que es necesario simplificar la comunicación para atraer a las personas adecuadas para el evento del 20 (00:18:34).
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Definición del cronograma y logística final: El grupo acuerda un horario concreto para mañana de 10:00 a.m. a 1:00 p.m (00:27:07). La sesión iniciará a las 10:00 a.m. con una llamada con el equipo de África para conocer sus experiencias, seguido de un tiempo dedicado al diseño del contenido para el día 20 (00:21:50) (00:28:22). Verónica del Carril toma la responsabilidad de coordinar la información y gestionar el evento en Google Calendar para garantizar que los participantes tengan claridad sobre el enlace de Zoom y el horario definitivo (00:27:07).
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📖 Transcripción
jun 14, 2026
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00:00:08
Daniel Carpi: that’s all I can do. Video camera here and record if you want. in this case, yo creo que de el qué es más importante que el cóo y y es parte del camino también, el qué es más importante que el cómo.
Tobias Fechner: Okay.
Daniel Carpi: Y constantemente se nos confunde. Yo creo que de a poquito el como por ahí que te interesa a vos y me parece bárbaro y nosotros nos entusiasma, puede ir acercándose al qué, pero si no trabajamos bien el qué, e el cómo hace mucho ruido.
Tobias Fechner: Sí, dale.
Daniel Carpi: E bueno, el empecemos por qué es lo que va a pasar mañana. Y una de las primeras este eh una de las primeras eh temas que surgen es que la invitación del UMA, si uno quiere que llegue a un grupo interesante de gente que no a nosotros nos interese, esa invitación de Luma no puede tener dos fechas como tenía, una al 15 y otra al 20. Eh, y la fecha y esa invitación de Luma tenía dos fechas, pero la invitación es para una sola, entonces confunde porque la invitación era para mañana que habíamos quedado que mañana es una invitación y corregimme si estoy equivocado, pero es una invitación más personal a el grupo más core de El Pantano y este y alguien más que quiera sumarse a diseñar el evento del 20, ¿correcto?
00:02:20 {#00:02:20}
Tobias Fechner: Sí, estoy de acuerdo.
Daniel Carpi: Diseñar también, diseñar también es es pasarlo por la experiencia propia y hacer un un onboarding eh personal, digamos, que no que no hemos hecho eh de los que quieran del de los que quieran del pantano. Yo no sé,
Tobias Fechner: Sí,
Daniel Carpi: puede incluirse alguna persona externa pero cercana también, no pasa nada. Pero,
Tobias Fechner: sí.
Daniel Carpi: pero si si hacemos una invitación extensa a gente que ni siquiera conocemos, nos va a distraer del propósito que es diseñar el evento del 20.
Tobias Fechner: Dale.
Daniel Carpi: Así lo veo yo. Lo charlamos hace un par de días, ¿te acordás? Y y acá Veros se enojó conmigo. Estaba furiosa porque no la eh no lo reflejamos ni en la invitación del Luma ni este ni le hicimos un update eh sobre eso en ningún lado. Entonces no queda claro. Eh quedó muy confuso en la invitación de mañana. Estamos más o menos todos en la misma página.
Tobias Fechner: Sí, de mi lado puedo mostrar una cosa que me confundé también un poco porque desde el 5 de junio envié este mensaje con un una página para un evento para este día del 15. Y cuando lo vi que la página del 20 era como override de este evento me da un poco confundido también.
00:04:18
Daniel Carpi: Vale,
Tobias Fechner: Por eso
Daniel Carpi: podemos invitar personalmente a quienes carramos, podemos invitar este acá Sebas dice que está ocupado, que tuvo una urgencia. Este, ¿quién es Coca Vero? No sé. Sebas se suma con que le hagamos un update más tarde. Eh, el tema es qué es lo que podemos hacer. No miremos hacia atrás qué es lo que podemos hacer hoy para no seguir arrastrando confusión.
Tobias Fechner: Co?
Daniel Carpi: Yo entendí que lo que íbamos a hacer mañana es esto que acabo de explicar. Eh, estamos ups, ahí se cayó Vero, acaba de volver a entrar. Hola, Vero. Te caíste y aquí volviste.
Verónica del Carril: Siempre vuelvo.
Daniel Carpi: Bueno, este, ¿querés agregar algo, Tabs? ¿O tenías Querés agregar algo?
Tobias Fechner: Estoy en storer C, así que solo quiero eh intentar contribuir al flujo que quieren traer porque eh veo que ya he usado todos mis tarjetas de dar un unas propuestas.
Daniel Carpi: No, yo no entendí que que in English.
Tobias Fechner: I just I think it would be more generative if try to integrate into the flow that you would like to
Daniel Carpi: Yeah.
Tobias Fechner: create and you would like to bring.
00:06:28 {#00:06:28}
Tobias Fechner: So I’m ready to meet you where you’re at is what I was trying to say.
Daniel Carpi: We I I personally don’t understand where we are. So, I’m just trying to put us somewhere because I don’t understand any where we are
Tobias Fechner: I can share my from my
Daniel Carpi: and and
Tobias Fechner: perspective at least. Maybe it
Daniel Carpi: but but um what I’m trying to say if we can do it from
Tobias Fechner: helps.
Daniel Carpi: this place from the place of very concrete actionable things that we need to do like who is coming what are we doing what do we need to get that to to accomplish that like we need food who’s opening the
Tobias Fechner: Yeah.
Daniel Carpi: door who’s coming in and who’s not coming in and uh who’s facilitating what are we going to facilitate and what do we need to do tomorrow. To me, we need to design the event of the 20th. If we don’t design the event of the 20th tomorrow, then we just call it
Tobias Fechner: Yeah.
Daniel Carpi: off.
Tobias Fechner: I’m in agreement. So what I’ve been preparing
Daniel Carpi: Mm.
Tobias Fechner: is to try to create a sense of a decentralized an emergent and action orioriented event.
00:08:12
Tobias Fechner: We can do that.
Daniel Carpi: Yeah.
Tobias Fechner: Well, what I can offer for us to have a sense for that is the core domains that we have used and validated to organize events in this way.
Daniel Carpi: Yeah.
Tobias Fechner: So what I’ve been preparing is to use multiple rooms, one for each domain to try to create common meaning
Daniel Carpi: Mhm.
Tobias Fechner: about that domain and to try to go deeper and deeper into designing the day of the 20th together by having that shared experience to draw from the colored rooms.
Daniel Carpi: that that you shared with me yesterday.
Tobias Fechner: Yeah.
Daniel Carpi: Yes. Ok. So, how long do you think that experience will
Tobias Fechner: Yeah.
Daniel Carpi: take?
Tobias Fechner: All day.
Daniel Carpi: All day.
Tobias Fechner: Yeah.
Daniel Carpi: Wow. And how many people do you think we need to be?
Tobias Fechner: As many as possible.
Daniel Carpi: But we are designing the event of the 20th.
Tobias Fechner: So what I
Daniel Carpi: We are not just experiencing something.
Tobias Fechner: think
Daniel Carpi: We are doing a workshop of design.
Tobias Fechner: there. Yeah, I agree. So maybe a an important question I need to ask is there any time in between Monday and Saturday where we would be able to work um from different roles to clarify further the design because what tomorrow can serve is clarification of roles clarification of intention and purpose.
00:10:02 {#00:10:02}
Tobias Fechner: And if we have time in between Monday and Saturday, people can then um kind of finalize the design after Monday. But Monday tomorrow is would be important to set some first principles. Otherwise, the event is I think it’s likely that we would just design a general event which um yeah would be different. So for example, maybe one person really relates with the domain of enrollment and they see yeah I could see how from these activities that we did different people were able to take different roles and I could see how naming those roles and clarifying those roles enabled us as a whole group to be more effective. If someone sees that and they want to bring that into the day of the 20th, they can then design that between Monday and Saturday. Another example would be for different domains cuz what I’m trying to do with the day tomorrow is create enabling conditions and alignment. If we want to design the content of the day itself, then we can maybe try to do a very quick exercise in the morning. I’m happy to shrink it and constrain it and then do content in the afternoon. But I think to jump straight to content is going to leave out a lot of um the potential.
Daniel Carpi: Well, it has to be a short experience in order to bring in the content.
00:11:58
Daniel Carpi: That’s the idea.
Tobias Fechner: So, you want to try and do content as well?
Daniel Carpi: I’m I’m lost.
Tobias Fechner: Ok.
Daniel Carpi: So, I can surrender and just let myself experienced but uh but I’m not understanding. So, you know what I mean? We we need to lead a workshop on the 20th which is less than a week from now,
Tobias Fechner: Yeah.
Daniel Carpi: six days from now. We need in order to do that we need to finish enrolling people and the first problem is enrollment like really people coming to the event otherwise we’re doing this for ourselves. We kind of enroll people into an event that we don’t have clarity on what is it. We this is this is a long process that we try to shrink in a very short period of
Tobias Fechner: Yeah.
Daniel Carpi: time. So we need to be realistic and and we cannot do anything if we don’t enroll people. In order to enroll people, we need to have a bit more clarity and then design the event. Those are the three steps that I see. I again um I think we’re still working on what is this about. I talk I talk to at least three communities, three like leads of communities.
00:13:37
Daniel Carpi: who says, “Wow, this looks interesting, but I have no clarity what you’re talking about. Um, can you send me more information? Can we have a conversation?” And um so that shows that we are
Tobias Fechner: Yeah.
Daniel Carpi: not that we don’t have a clear message and that we should have called in I view we should have called to an experience and that is the step number one is to call people to an experience an debate a discussion and you you don’t call it a design of tools on blockchain you put the the down the the purpose the vision and and you call people to an experience then whoever you know you let it percate and whoever stays you you continue and you design the the tools with the people that said oh this is interesting you know I imagine that that’s the way it worked in the other uh workshops that you did in in Africa and elsewhere
Tobias Fechner: Did you want to your hand
Verónica del Carril: No,
Tobias Fechner: raised?
Verónica del Carril: I’m just I’m trying to think in terms of like
Daniel Carpi: um
Verónica del Carril: management and what’s realistic. Uh my concern with dates and time and luma was because honestly I didn’t understand that tomorrow was all day. That’s why I set the event at 5 pm.
00:15:30 {#00:15:30}
Verónica del Carril: Um I did understand that it was an important kickof. Uh, I think Danny thought it was more private. I already thought it was big enough. It had to have a number, a quadum. Uh, I’ve been tracking Luma and I don’t think you have the quotum you want and expect for a whole day of work. You should also think that uh tomorrow is a national holiday in here. Um, so I’m trying to be as positive and realistic as I can. I think 20th still stands as long as we can meet tomorrow for not the whole day, but to plan and to say what we got and what we’re going to do on the 20th and adjust the vision to reality. Um I think if we come out tomorrow from who whomever comes which should be like our deepest closest friends and activists we can come
Tobias Fechner: Yeah.
Verónica del Carril: up with like a clearer message of why the 20th is worth it and why is it different and why they should be coming. I honestly I wouldn’t like to be working tomorrow. I clearly have to uh but I think it shouldn’t be for the whole day and it shouldn’t be about tech.
00:16:49 {#00:16:49}
Verónica del Carril: It should be about simplifying as much as possible the message so that we can convey at least a nice number for the 20th. I think it’s about production tomorrow. No, about tech. You see what I mean? I think as long as we want to keep the 20th valid and
Tobias Fechner: Yeah.
Verónica del Carril: happening tomorrow we might have do we will we who is
Daniel Carpi: Who’s coming tomorrow that you know? Who’s coming tomorrow that that you know?
Tobias Fechner: me I think I only know mostly
Daniel Carpi: Yeah.
Tobias Fechner: of online participants so Seba and then three people from Africa Tak.
Daniel Carpi: But why do what is that the people from Africa are going to be um doing giving
Verónica del Carril: doing H
Daniel Carpi: us? us meaning the the team here in Argentina.
Tobias Fechner: Um well it mostly came in response to a time when we were talking about worries of if this is feasible to convert or to work in this space of trying to create ecosystem health indicators using blockchain.
Verónica del Carril: M.
Daniel Carpi: Mhm.
Tobias Fechner: And so I wanted to bring invite real world examples and also examples of projects that had gone through this kind of program for us.
00:18:34 {#00:18:34}
Tobias Fechner: So I’ve been meeting with them,
Daniel Carpi: Mhm.
Tobias Fechner: calling them, preparing them to share their stories to try to
Daniel Carpi: Mhm.
Tobias Fechner: ease those worries and also make it a bit relatable. So also not talk about the tech but just talk about their journey and their story and it can apply for us internally as
Daniel Carpi: Hm.
Tobias Fechner: a group because I think it still has something to add for these internal organizers and if there was external groups to I think it would just make for even more questions which was serve all of us
Daniel Carpi: Mhm.
Tobias Fechner: the groups from Africa they want to practice presenting their work. And um we want to well you guys want to me to I want to
Daniel Carpi: Sí.
Tobias Fechner: get curious to learn more about real world examples.
Verónica del Carril: A ver, concretely I’m looking at Luma right now and the one that says coming doc a guy called Fede. again like because this was set for tomorrow and then mov to to the 20th. Some people show as developers and I don’t know if they’re really uh bots really like Fede. I’ve been checking him and he appears online. The other people that show Mary Poppins or Sylvia or I don’t even know if they were real people.
00:20:13
Verónica del Carril: And then there’s a J Müer that showed up but I think she comes from the art scene. So there’s something going on with the link and where the the Luma link is going and
Daniel Carpi: Yeah, I imagine has to do with um with developers.
Verónica del Carril: flowing.
Daniel Carpi: It went into some it in some developers groups and probably it’s posted somewhere and people are just clicking and signing
Verónica del Carril: Um I’m I’m just saying what I see. Delie could be connecting from the states. I don’t know about Felipe. I think he could come Juan that’s J la Impact. Quinta esencia is basically dona Seba J is the same as Juan. This is you. I’m just saying the and and for example if we talk about we talk about the your uh African fellows and and folks
Daniel Carpi: Yeah.
Verónica del Carril: that tried what time is uh like if we were to do like a call in which they start the morning they tell us their experience what time do they will they Connect.
Tobias Fechner: Um, so far one person has scheduled for 10 a.m. our time. Um,
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Verónica del Carril: Mhm.
Tobias Fechner: I think a second person has scheduled after that. So, 11. Let me just check. I’ll try to refresh.
Verónica del Carril: Ok.
Tobias Fechner: Um, and then well in theory I’ve been telling them to schedule whenever it works for them just making sure that they’re not creating overlaps on the agenda.
Verónica del Carril: So what if I’m trying to be realistic if
Daniel Carpi: Mhm.
Verónica del Carril: we do not the whole day because I don’t see it happening people what do one como bloque de la mañana we start us 9 am coffee we try to Go go go through details. Um we host the call at 10 from 10 to 11 if we can with the African team and and fellows. And we continue working so that we can leave that day at least midday with some reasonable picture of whatever we can. And we align I know you’ve been designing a lot but I think you need to align with whatever is design um SA was designing. I think you both had like facilitating uh designs happening. You for tomorrow, him for the 20th. And I think it’s worth shrinking and focusing on align aligning uh more than the tech aligning expectations on on events and reach out sorry does
00:24:00 {#00:24:00}
Daniel Carpi: Maybe maybe a subgroup can stay the whole day,
Verónica del Carril: it.
Daniel Carpi: but it’s not realistic that that uh whoever goes tomorrow will stay the whole day being a
Verónica del Carril: Claro, por eso if we want and if we want do I think we have to
Daniel Carpi: holiday
Verónica del Carril: shrink the the window that we ask them to be there present. You see what I mean? So if we host like if we invite them for three f hours with coffee and some snacks, they will come. I don’t think they will come for the whole day.
Daniel Carpi: and also because there was no clarity to knows where we communicated
Verónica del Carril: Exacto.
Tobias Fechner: And I think I did post it in the group since 10 days ago, but it’s okay. I think it really is like the pattern I’m hearing is that it’s really tight on time. Everything that we’re trying to fit in is a real challenge just because of how little time
Verónica del Carril: Mhm.
Tobias Fechner: there is. And I think we need to be easy on ourselves because of
Daniel Carpi: Ya, ya, ya, ya.
Tobias Fechner: that.
Daniel Carpi: Whatever it is, it is. Let’s do a process that makes sense for us.
00:25:10
Verónica del Carril: Yeah.
Daniel Carpi: You know,
Tobias Fechner: Yeah. Yeah, I agree. also
Daniel Carpi: I I can I can be there most of the day. Maybe somebody else wants to is coming in the morning. Um, Antonio is super busy. He said if we if we everybody thinks that he should come for a slot of time or whatever, you know, he will come.
Verónica del Carril: I think we have to converge and he’s a like he likes to divert. No, I’m sorry. I think we need to meet those who are more into process process and order we need to meet in the morning.
Daniel Carpi: doesn’t
Verónica del Carril: Lo que pasa que
Tobias Fechner: Yeah.
Verónica del Carril: isaro Dani, vos estás en contacto con Doco y con y con make 10:30 if I would say out of respect for these
Tobias Fechner: Yes.
Verónica del Carril: team let’s skip to like stick to that we we’re having the call with these guys and let’s make sure that we all understand which zoom we’re in and at what time we show up and let That’s a line
Daniel Carpi: Right.
Verónica del Carril: with
Daniel Carpi: If somebody participates somebody participates via Zoom, where do they join?
00:27:07 {#00:27:07}
Verónica del Carril: 945 945
Daniel Carpi: Where? Where? where? Where?
Verónica del Carril: that could be a zoom could be a meet on that matter and
Tobias Fechner: It should be a zoom.
Daniel Carpi: You go go to the theater and I organiz this with tabs now.
Tobias Fechner: Ok,
Verónica del Carril: tipo zoom at that’s
Daniel Carpi: Okay.
Tobias Fechner: thanks also if you want to start scheduling
Daniel Carpi: Bueno,
Verónica del Carril: my
Tobias Fechner: things so that we can just say to people this is what’s going to
Daniel Carpi: deal.
Tobias Fechner: happen. Send the message in theendar channel. I know I saw Danny you tried.
Daniel Carpi: I tried and nothing happened.
Tobias Fechner: I think I think you almost got it.
Daniel Carpi: I don’t know what I did wrong.
Tobias Fechner: It might have just missed one field and if it didn’t have the field um it can’t create the event.
Daniel Carpi: the missing
Tobias Fechner: So I’ll confirm I’ll confirm the info that you have to
Daniel Carpi: Ok.
Tobias Fechner: send and you can do it by text.
Verónica del Carril: Let me just say one thing. You both decide when we start, when we finish, and whom who starts at what time, and I’ll schedule with like I’ll make sure that it shows up on Google calendar.
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Verónica del Carril: Is that ok?
Tobias Fechner: Yeah, we let’s say 10 to1 then.
Verónica del Carril: 10 to
Tobias Fechner: It sounds like that’s what we’re going for.
Verónica del Carril: one.
Tobias Fechner: 10 to1 first call at 10 with the Africa peeps. I’ll try and get as many of them into that first call as possible. We just do it all in the same,
Verónica del Carril: Listo.
Tobias Fechner: wrap up within 45 minutes, 60 minutes, and then have a couple of hours for content for the 20th.
Verónica del Carril: Okay. Y listo. Ok, I’ll I’ll schedule it on the on my
Tobias Fechner: All right.
Verónica del Carril: phone.
Tobias Fechner: All right.
Daniel Carpi: Dale. Ok.
Verónica del Carril: Bye bye.
Daniel Carpi: Oh. Hey! You you just hang up there. Sí. Hola, ¿estás? No sé. Where? Where are you? Where are you? Ayudé Alo. Are you can you hear me now? Can you hear me now?
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